Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

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Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by urbangriller » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:38 pm

Just a heads up for anyone wanting to put a pellet cooker (or offset for that matter) into a Commercial Kitchen.

We are currently trying to get health dept approval for a Cookshack FEC cabinet to be installed into a commercial kitchen. Both the Health dept and Fire dept require the pellet cooker to have a seperate exhaust cannopy, it is aparantly not legal to exhaust this kind of cooker up the same exhaust canopy that handles the oven/deep fryer/grill.

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by Grill Pro Australia » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:57 pm

urbangriller wrote:Just a heads up for anyone wanting to put a pellet cooker (or offset for that matter) into a Commercial Kitchen.

We are currently trying to get health dept approval for a Cookshack FEC cabinet to be installed into a commercial kitchen. Both the Health dept and Fire dept require the pellet cooker to have a seperate exhaust cannopy, it is aparantly not legal to exhaust this kind of cooker up the same exhaust canopy that handles the oven/deep fryer/grill.

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There are many kitchens that have open charcoal Grills in commercial kitchens right around Australia, no difference for Offsets running on charcoal I would have thought...

In fact Penfolds Magill Estate in Adelaide has a brand new kitchen with one huge rangehood extracting a big open Charcoal/ wood pit as well as stove tops & ovens etc.

Lucky most of our Pellet Grills are cooking out in the courtyards of these restaurants! :wink:

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by the dane » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:04 pm

why cant one exhaust be used for a pellet grill and oven deep fryer? is there any chance a pellet cooker can shoot sparks up through its chimney?

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by BBQ&BEERS » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Hi Chris

Is that a state or Federal requirement?

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Post by edgy » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:41 pm

Bloody red tape... :lol:
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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by Grill Pro Australia » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:12 pm

Must be a WA thing maybe ..

I just spoke to an Adelaide Pub owner who told me that he investigated it & Offset Smokers, Pellet Grills & Charcoal Pits can all use the same rangehood, in SA anyway.

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by urbangriller » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:17 pm

There is no country wide legislation. This is the answer we keep getting here. That said, all this kind of legislation is based on guidelines and/or what others are doing.

My advice is check with your local authority, don't just assume you can push one into the corner of the kitchen.

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Post by Smokey » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:36 pm

I've heard rumors and mumblings in the NSW and QLD fire industry about them. Fire inspectors are human and another inspectors report overrides if worst case example is exposed. Just the way is is.
Normally I could not be stuffed but maybe the states need to be made aware in such risk?
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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by urbangriller » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:01 am

theDoc wrote:lance from big boy bbq has a lot of experience with the FEC's and is happily running them in a kitchen in melbourne no problem.
sounds like you got yourself a dud health and fire department rep whom has no idea about these units or WA has over the top requirments
Yes Lance is running FECs...the question is are they vented seperately to the chip fryer? FEC make a special hood for their cookers to vent them to the outside.

Realy? Three dud councils?

All I'm saying is: Just don't assume that you can just bolt a pellet cooker into a commercial kitchen. You may need a seperate extraction system. Don't think it's a WA thing, it is council by council, what is OK in one council zone may not be in the next.

ASK your council health dept!

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Post by Bentley » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:18 pm

You all got it good...A restaurant in LA, Rock n Fish at LA Live put in a Cookshack Charbroiler...not only did it have to have its own hood vent, it had to have smoke scrubbers on it! Ahh, California, glad to be gone!
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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by urbangriller » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:56 pm

theDoc wrote:LA are pretty strict around "smells" as well

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosatrieu/2 ... r-30-days/

Speak to your councils of course but every one is different. from what i have heard, the more densly packed/built with resedential the more likely you are going to run into troubles.
even "smells" are a no no, how KFC gets away with it id dont know :P
And that's the point! Every council is different, don't assume that the setup you saw in a restaurant last week will be legal in your council zone.

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by Grill Pro Australia » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:40 pm

At the end of the day, its the Restaurant owners / Pub owners responsibility to look into their own local regulations. I'm sure all "Good operators" are on top of this anyway.

I don't really see much point in this thread as I don't think that many ( if any at all ) are members here anyway.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by BBQ&BEERS » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:10 pm

I've dealt with local council and Dept of Environment and Health for over 20 years at work and now I'm doing it to set up my own place. The trick is use honey not vinegar :) , they can be surprisingly flexible if you just play the game right. Most laws and regulations are open to interpretation all you have to do is get them to interpret them in your favour. 8)

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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by Smokey » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:49 pm

BBQ&BEERS wrote:I've dealt with local council and Dept of Environment and Health for over 20 years at work and now I'm doing it to set up my own place. The trick is use honey not vinegar :) , they can be surprisingly flexible if you just play the game right. Most laws and regulations are open to interpretation all you have to do is get them to interpret them in your favour. 8)
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Re: Pellet cookers in Commercial kitchens

Post by the dane » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:26 pm

Wow i can recall the old corner Fish & Chip shop, with the yellow roof from all the fat and steam going up! and you could allways tell when they changed the cooking oil, because the chips did not taste like fish! and then they used to wrap the chips in news paper!!! wow!! they were the days! & Streets drumsticks were .80c each :shock:
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