Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

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WarmBeer
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by WarmBeer » Mon May 25, 2015 1:25 pm

mrtonya wrote:I got my Dragon home this morning, I hope to have it assembled tonight.
Oh, and align the holes for the axle on the legs prior to screwing the stand base together.

Would have saved myself an hour if I'd known this part. D'oh!
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by Dam » Mon May 25, 2015 2:09 pm

WarmBeer wrote:
mrtonya wrote:I got my Dragon home this morning, I hope to have it assembled tonight.
Oh, and align the holes for the axle on the legs prior to screwing the stand base together.

Would have saved myself an hour if I'd known this part. D'oh!

Same i had to unscrew some very carefully tightened bolts to be able to inset this axis and still I got it wrong (wrong side) as the handle to roll it end up on the wrong side, but at least it roll ;-)
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by Dam » Wed May 27, 2015 6:38 pm

I did my fist low slow on it last night, a pulled pork

got it relatively stable at around 110*C for 17hours, stop when the pork was at 96*C.it did use almost no charcoal, impressive insulation.

I have not idea what a pulled pork should taste like but mine was nice pink, easy to shred, but perfectly Tasteless :cry: ( and I did use a dry rub and some cherry chips for smoke).

PS: I have done my first mod, I have added 7 bricks around the pit as I think it does not need to be so too deep/wide ( look wider/deeper than ceramic ones, as its steel is much thinner than ceramic walls), to add insulation/heat mass

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by StoneX » Wed May 27, 2015 8:01 pm

I gave my Dragon a go today. No food, just practicing for a cook tomorrow night.

It was amazingly simple to get going. Just stacked some charcoal, left a hollow in the middle, lit one Redhead firelighter (wood/wax) and put it in the hole, then covered with a few bits of charcoal. I left the vents open full and let it get to about 300C before shutting vents down varying amounts. It takes a long time to cool once all the charcoal is ignited! :o

Now I know why they say to slowly get up to temp rather than overshooting.

I didn't get a deflector yet, am I able to just use an old pizza tray for a low temp indirect cook tomorrow? It'll only be 100-120C to slowly get a lamb rack up to temp before searing the fat cap.

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by WarmBeer » Wed May 27, 2015 8:11 pm

StoneX wrote: I didn't get a deflector yet, am I able to just use an old pizza tray for a low temp indirect cook tomorrow? It'll only be 100-120C to slowly get a lamb rack up to temp before searing the fat cap.
Old pizza stone or even tray will be fine. Thats all I'm using, although I probably should wrap it in foil to make cleanup from drips easier.
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by StoneX » Wed May 27, 2015 8:51 pm

WarmBeer wrote: Old pizza stone or even tray will be fine. Thats all I'm using, although I probably should wrap it in foil to make cleanup from drips easier.
Thanks. I have a pizza stone but don't want to risk cracking it. I'll organise a stainless steel plate from a friend who works in the metal industry for a deflector that I won 't have to worry about :)

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by stm » Thu May 28, 2015 10:05 am

Dragon - Looks like a great piece of kit at an unbelievable price. Assembly was a breeze - I found the instructions well laid out and obviously not written ex-factory in China! The only thing not obvious was getting the legs that hold the wheels the right way round so as to align the axle holes - thank you to the posters here!

Other mods which I can endorse are the extra two washers on the hinge pin so it wobbles less, and taking the flat washer and spring washer out from "in-between" the top vent assembly and putting them on top (with an extra washer) to give a better fit.

Heat deflector can be a cheap pizza stone - $8 from Queen Victoria's Basement.

One concern I had was, when fitting the ash tray (the bottom section), the s/s bracket really pushes up against another s/s bracket in the bottom of the fire box. Seems like something could snap here, or is this normal to provide tension against the clips holding it up?

Now just to get cooking!

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by WarmBeer » Thu May 28, 2015 10:30 am

stm wrote: One concern I had was, when fitting the ash tray (the bottom section), the s/s bracket really pushes up against another s/s bracket in the bottom of the fire box. Seems like something could snap here, or is this normal to provide tension against the clips holding it up?

Now just to get cooking!
I think you'll actually find that's a guide for the bottom ash collector to sit in. Unclip your ash collector, drop it about a cm, bring it forward towards the front of the cooker, and then it will easily lift up, and you can slide it back into place.

The assembly kind of works to stop the entire ask collector from dropping onto the ground if you unclip both sides without holding it from underneath.

If you need more info, I'll try to help out, but that's about as best I can do without drawing something. You don't want to see my artistry skills, believe me...
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by stm » Thu May 28, 2015 11:21 am

That makes perfect sense, thanks. (Subject to actually checking it out - perhaps I'll still get you to draw it, just for the entertainment value!)

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by Maverick » Thu May 28, 2015 5:09 pm

Just posted in the roll call - I've got a Dragon coming my way this evening!

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if the Kamado Joe Divide & Conquer stone/deflector (the split one) will fit/work in the Dragon Kamado? Is it worth spending the money on a split stone or just go for a regular full circle stone?

Also, just so I can get started easily, what is required to season/burn off these bbq's? Will just a can of spray oil be enough or is something else recommended/required?

Thanks

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by WarmBeer » Thu May 28, 2015 5:31 pm

Maverick wrote:Just posted in the roll call - I've got a Dragon coming my way this evening!

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if the Kamado Joe Divide & Conquer stone/deflector (the split one) will fit/work in the Dragon Kamado? Is it worth spending the money on a split stone or just go for a regular full circle stone?

Also, just so I can get started easily, what is required to season/burn off these bbq's? Will just a can of spray oil be enough or is something else recommended/required?

Thanks
The D&C stone will probably fit, but I don't know if the split trivet would. Saying that, a generic $8 pizza stone does a great job as a deflector, and would save you around 80 bucks in the deal. Just put the stone in while the charcoal is coming up to temperature, not once the oven is already hot.

For initial burn in, I just ran mine reasonably hot for a couple of hours. Maybe around the 250-300 degree mark, until any off smells stopped coming out the top.
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by Gumb » Thu May 28, 2015 5:45 pm

Maverick wrote:Just posted in the roll call - I've got a Dragon coming my way this evening!
Welcome Maverick, nice pick up. You'll love that cooker :)

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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by food&fish » Thu May 28, 2015 6:03 pm

My akorn didn't come with a deflector plate and I just cut down a cast iron plate out of and old gasser
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by StoneX » Thu May 28, 2015 6:47 pm

I'm struggling to keep temps down on my Dragon... I'm trying to cook at 100-110C but it won't stop climbing. I had the bottom vent open 1/2 way between closed and the number 1 marker, about 5mm, and the top on 1, barely open. It's at 145C :(

Now I've pretty much closed the bottom vent and it's still climbing.

Also, dome said 95C and Maverick on the grill said 135C with a deflector in place.

[edit] Closed bottom vent completely now as it's at 154C (110C dome). I don't understand.

[edit 2] Took food out. Going to wreck my dinner if this thing doesn't stop going up. It's at 170C with the bottom vent slid all the way closed and the top vent on 1 (barely open).

[edit 3] This is how the vents are:
http://i.imgur.com/sbQBPkY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e8g8W7P.jpg
And it's now at 180C.
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Re: Akorn and Dragon General Discussion

Post by FirePlay » Thu May 28, 2015 6:58 pm

I got a D&C split stone and a pizza stone thrown in for $30. Both fit fine.

On temps, are you building a pyramid of charcoal and then only lighting the top few bits?

If you light the whole lot you can forget about low and slow!


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